I don’t know if everything else (floor, walls) is ‘cool’ if the tone should be warm? Thank you for doing this! I only want to create more pieces, just so I can stain them, haha! But if you have a scrap piece left over, you might want to try bleaching the wood. He used this product: http://www.minwax.com/wood-products/specialty-finishes/minwax-paste-finishing-wax (which our local Home Depot paint guy called “bowling alley wax” because it reminds him of what they put on bowling alley floors). yes! http://www.finewoodworking.com/how-to/article/pitfalls-of-finishing-pine.aspx. Apply first in a thin coat if you want a lighter color and add another for a darker shade. Weathered Oak is a premium wood stain by Minwax. I want to change that to Dark Walnut. THANK YOU so much for this! I didn’t know they made a white stain, I want to try it! This is absolutely one helluva valuable test and comparison. I’m having a pine table made, but I don’t love any of those stains. Neither the top or legs are stained. You might want to try it as one last option just to see how it goes. Although, no red came through with the pine at all. I would also love to see more, especially different stains on wood used for fences. Hi Kristi, Perhaps someone could give me their opinions of what wood and stain to use with black iron pipe? Now, the faux wood floors have tones of walnut and the counter tops are white and I’m trying to do my shelves in something that will go with all the different tones but not be too matchy-matchy. That was a lot of work. Can’t wait to see it finished, and also to see the walls done. LOVE this post–very helpful!! We love the honey brown you came up with. We have rustic birch floors and they are quite soft, they took a beating to upstairs, moderate use. Minwax has the perfect wood stain colour for every project. We finally had our floors refinished last summer to try to get them a similar color. Can I apply another clear protective finish over Soft Wax? Container Size: 1 Quart. Any finish that I do on my table will be protected by several layers of oil-based polyurethane. I just sent them an example photo of something I like, but didn’t specify a stain. Attempting to add another coating – such as Annie Sloan Lacquer or another varnish or even polyurethane – over a wax finish is futile. In the past, I’ve had good success with rub-on stains, layering up to the desired saturation of color…but they’ve changed the formula and it’s a lot thicker now and does really odd stuff. It made a beautiful rustic stain. You’re right, there are so many iterations you could do of wood and stains. Just some suggestions for you…looking good and I was going to suggest select pine as I was reading your post and you use it…that piece was gorgeous. Wipe on and immediately wipe off. You’ll see just how necessary it is in a minute, because of course we took our observations one step further and only used conditioner on the bottom half  of each piece of wood so you can see the difference it makes. I’m starting to look for a way to stain my pine kitchen floors. How does the Minwax get through the Annie Sloan wax? I was going to use quarter sawn white oak vs. quarter sawn red oak. I’ve watched at least two videos from pro woodworkers/furniture makers on YouTube who used it that way. Tweet. Tintable in a wide array of colors for ultimate design flexibility and color matching - please visit your neighborhood Sherwin-Williams Store. This is so beyond helpful! But I still hate pine. And remove one or two steps and achieve a more satisfying result? which is not what I want.please help. P.S. I thought this was pretty, and the grain didn’t bother me so much since it didin’t turn a hideous color. My mistake! Thanks for doing this, it really is beneficial! I totally respect and am all too familiar with your budget restrictions. Was about to get a bunch of milled pine moulding to stain dark walnut, but now I’m leaning towards the white oak – the stain really brings out the grain in the oak. Suzanne, Hi Kristi, Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!! 90% of my customers choose a slightly different color on other materials that isn’t flooring. I am going to try one more sample today with the older 24-hour vinegar solution, but at this point I’m thinking that I’ve found the perfect method to get the color I want while getting rid of crazy pine grain! I'm a DIY fanatic remodeling my way through our 1948 fixer upper.More About Kristi. Very helpful post! Looks wonderful! Loved seeing all the side by side comparisons. I personally have not tried it but plan to…those that use it love it. The pine looks SO MUCH better with the conditioner. Hooray for finding something that works well! The wood grain is still visible but it tones it down considerably. Thank you for this helpful post! Thank you for conducting this experiment! I love your inspiration tables and just can’t wait to see the finished product. I was also thinking it wasn’t sanded. And the Sikkens that I use is “Cetol Marine Natural Teak.”It is a beautiful rich, deep brown, dries really hard, and with a couple of coats, it provides a great barrier. I cannot thank you enough for doing this experiment and sharing it! I was really impressed with it! What is wood conditioner? Thanks, all! Second time, I purchased wood that was a bit higher quality (a.k.a. I will definitely be rereading some of these in the future. (You can’t do that with Minwax. Guys – this is SUPER helpful! PLEASE WATER MARK YOUR PHOTOS SO I CAN FIND THE PROPER SOURCE! I’m having white cabinets/white granite with greyish Island, and butcher block counters and white windows. But when it comes to light a medium-toned stain colors, wood conditioner just doesn’t seem to do much…or at least not nearly enough to suit my taste. By far the best post I’ve seen on explaining the nuances of staining wood. I assumed it was soft because it had the most trouble accepting stains. It will eventually peel off. Probably, but you’d likely need a combo of stains and I’m not sure what that combo would be. I’m assuming that following the next steps you listed won’t help. Sunny. Did I mention we bought bright orange appliances by the Big Chill pro line? Southern Yellow Pine grows abundantly in Texas and is harder, stronger, and more stable than the White Pine. Is there not a more pleasing wood grain that would reduce the number of steps to camouflage the pine grain.? My Breakfast Room – Shake Siding or Shiplap Siding? Thank you for posting this! I have a question about the Annie Sloan wax? The table from my step-sister didn’t work out. My harvest table was made for me by a friend. But the overall color just wasn’t quite warm enough for me. I have a red oak floor I’d like to redo. Wood Finish Water-Based Penetrating Stain Tintable Colors Blues. Anyway, I’m going to try it, so if you’re not on a hurry, you can stay tuned and see how mine turns out. In our experience, this stain goes on really lightly and doesn’t add much color to your wood surface. I’m looking for a medium toned, neutral-ish stain (I guess). Thank you for your help, creativity, time and amazing design inspiration. I love it when I can make connections like that! I used a preconditioner to avoid splotchiness. I purchased from “the milk company” and they were very helpful with any questions along with the information they have on their site (no I don’t work or advertise for them:). The wood is extremely dry. But then there is the world of bleaching! Thanks for the help! I love this! 2. Is there any way that I could see your pics too please? That would be a lot of work but our house is small so it’s doable. The pine to me looked very different from my own experience. Would you do the simply white in a house that might be your forever house? I would like to figure out a way to make them look the same but really don’t like the pink red undertone . I’m considering using a dark stain, which will work better with the stone counter top color. Bravo! Visit Minwax for more examples of available stain colors. Done! I tried this & my pine ended up VERY dark, almost black. I’d love more in-depth stain experiments. Can this same process be done on raw oak? Is there yellow pine and white pine? I would have really liked to see a gray stain used as well. I’m going to give it a try. Yes! It wasn’t protective at all. . I would love the color of this table you’ve done to be how the floors look. Yes, the harder (denser) the wood, like yellow or white birch or maple, oak, the more difficult it is to accept stains where you want darker results. White Oak can’t take a bad picture. When my father built us a baby cradle, he insisted that the way “the pro’s” do a nice finish is to stain the wood (Maple in this case), follow with however many coats of poly you like, then apply a coat of wax over the poly and buff it in with an electric buffer (like one of the ones that fits on an electric drill). The last time I did research for a staining project I couldn’t find this info, glad I looked again and found yours, you did the testing so we don’t have to. Minwax makes a a few really great topcoats. :D I hated every single stain on both oaks! This was incredibly helpful! This was such a great post! I’m so sad I was using this for reference. It can be applied over any wood but is especially necessary when working with soft or porous woods like pine, alder, birch, and maple. You are inspired! It really softened each wood tone and color while not masking any grain–like semi-opaque stains do. I’m loving the simply white on the pine but I was hoping to get your opinion!? Anyway, I think I just need to condition the boards… as you stated and provided evidence! :) Thank you so much for this post!! Infact, the grain in some of the boards take on a blue/gray colour. The ever popular and inexpensive Pine has yellow undertones. Which stain on which wood do you think is closest to West Elm’s pecan, like the pecan legs of their Drake sofa? Also was a polyurethane topcoat added which would yellow the stain some? I’m so glad that you tested your method on the select pine. I want to thank you for your testing it was just what I needed. The green that is generally very pronounced in Poplar, turned into more of a warm gray. This makes me want to get some wood and stain it for a piece in my house. The first of the dark stains we tried was also the more neutral in tone. That should give me the effect I want. I wonder if there might be a place like that in your area. simply the best thing I’ve seen on how various stains work on various woods Thank you for doing this. I’m going to finish my floors with a couple coats of paint BASE for an invisible, water proof matte finish. And here’s a look at the last three samples that all used the Annie Sloan Dark Wax in comparison to my control sample #1 with just the stain. In retrospect, I kind of wish I’d gone out and gotten the buffer…it would have made a smoother, slightly shinier finish, but honestly, the hand-rubbed one was great for that painted piece. Is there an image of the finished table? When it was dry, I added a coat of Minwax Polyurethane. Let me preface by saying that I know you can achieve pretty finishes on pine with paints and waxes. But just one question…… Why pine? How many coats of stain did you put on the wood samples shown in the photos? Your stain study was most helpful. Thank you so much for a very quick reply! And it looks too orange-yellow, rather than brown. I may do something with some blue glaze to help neutralize the yellow but we’ll see. The other woods took the stain well, with more redness coming out of the conditioned sides of the boards. Thank you again for all the time you put into keeping the general public informed. This post was super interesting! I bet this would be true for furniture refinishing too! Have you found one color stain that makes them similar? The red oak… brr… nightmares of 1980s cabinets and heart cutout furniture. }); Your email address will not be published. This is my favorite, and it was a four-step process. My legs and apron will be painted to go with the chairs. Doing an oil based poly over them vs a water based. This table from Ethan Allen is also a great example of the color that I want. :). Thanks! Guess I’ll have to ask the girlfriend what her preference is and I’ll build it to her specs. Also agree with comment about poly. I’d avoid a polyacrylic unless someone online has tried and tape-tested it and found it works. Created a medium warm tone hardwood. Love your post. I’m having pine wood and can’t decide to have it painted white or go with a stain. I am wondering what expenses I will incur purchasing power tools to do the build with. Thank you for sharing! YOU ARE AWESOME. Is that weird…? That’s a lovely finish on pine. But what it does have is crazy pine grain. It drives me absolutely crazy the way that water-based poly clouds up when it gets wet. Perfect! I don’t know of another brand, but you might get a similar benefit from a product like shellac that you can buy from Home Depot I think one thing that the wax does is just kind of seal the wood so that it keep so much of the stain from penetrating into and accenting the grain. containerEl: document.querySelector('#fd-form-5d767f96afdf3e000f968472') And I didn’t realize how much I loved birch and poplar before this! It turned out a very neutral, medium brown colour. Another way I’ve found to deal with stain and getting just the right color is to make and use a wood toner. The shellac wash after the dye was likely to keep the glaze and dye from bleeding together. I wouldn’t hurt to see if you could mitigate that with conditioner. Knots of various sizes are also to be expected, even though some of the samples appear to be clear. He laminated some of pine studs together (removed from my house while doing initial renovation) and turned those for the legs. It would be more expensive for me to make a DIY table out of walnut than to just buy the Williams-Sonoma table. Whatever you choose, I’m sure it’ll turn out great. Now I know I need wood conditioner before staining and it actually makes a difference!! I really want to stain some birch wood in a medium reddish stain now, for a MCM inspired TV cabinet. Wood conditioner works beautifully on pine if I’m staining it a dark color (with Rust-Oleum stain…not Minwax). Thank You! 5. totally perfect sponsored post. Never even opened the can of poly that I bought. I’ll probably be tackling that project in December or January. Hi Kristi. this post has disappeared…. Thanks again and can’t wait to see the table!! Same with hinges. Fascinating Blog today! Wood Stain Color Chart Pine Stain Colors Wood Stain Colors Minwax Stain On Pine Pine Wood Flooring Refinishing Hardwood Floors Pine Floors Wood Walls Into The Woods. (I did soak the solution for more than 3 hrs.) We tested a few for ourselves but this is helping me to find some direction in what to try next. "Thanks for following along as we uncover our home's potential. I wanted to point out 2 other variables though that would affect color, just in case someone with different results might be wondering why: 1. Really nice job on this! The directions I found used apple cider vinegar. Really enjoyed this post! This is one reason I’m an avid reader of your blog! I can hear the excitement in your post!. I’m making drapes now and referring to your experience to help me, thank you. Minwax 222104444 Wood Finish Penetrating Interior Wood Stain, 1/2 pint, Ipswich Pine : Ipswich Pine $ 4.5: 6. We came to picked Oak after looking into wax-based finishes (Bona, etc.) I hand-rubbed it because I didn’t have a buffer attachment handy. In the past, if what I stained was too intense, I mixed a little light grey paint with lots of water, brushed it over the stained wood, then wiped it off. I loved this. This was so helpful to see all the stains on the birch board. I appreciate any thoughts on this. We are building a house and trying to choose stains for maple cabinets and pine beams and French doors. You can get a matte finish polycrylic and that often causes the least amount of change. I am so glad I found this post and your blog. Minwax Pickled Oak. I’ve since used the same wax over satin Behr paint (sprayed with my mason jar sprayer) because we don’t have easy access to Annie Sloan products and the major brands hadn’t come out with knockoffs yet. What if you used the condition and the vinegar? Thank you for this post – exactly what I’ve been looking for! Yes, this is my childhood home. I ended up not using this technique on my table, so I don’t have a picture of it on a large surface. What a wonderful, informative post. Oh dear. Have you had any issue since doing your table? Really appreciated it – you could totally make a series out of it! Perhaps you could get enough just for the top or the top and apron and you wouldn’t have to worry quite so much about aging it and toning-down the awkward colors. I think the huge variation in poplar might drive me a little crazy, but birch does look awful stunning in those two dark stains. And I do think this would work just fine on stripped wood. The Jacobean was a one of our choices, I’m leaning toward Ebony now with 2 coats. This maybe the most helpful blog post ever. (post contains affiliate links, see disclosure) BEST STAIN COLOR FOR PINE. In my mind, it would have a similar effect to the red oak, but I’ve never worked with mahogany before. Here’s a good article that discusses shellac washcoat thickness. (I’ve even used a wadded up paper towel with great results!) Gorgeous! We’ve been wanting to do a wood/stain study for years now and in my head, I wanted to do every type of wood with about 20 different stains each.But with limited resources (not to mention space), we settled on 5 popular species of wood commonly used by DIYers, with 6 different stains; 2 light, 2 medium and 2 dark. Should be easy, right? The finish was beautiful. Hi Kristi, You’ll find a lot about using washcoats in magazines/websites like Fine Woodworking and Popular Woodworking. If I ever stain a piece, I’ll definitely get the buffer. Thank you for this post! Definitely not the look I’m going for. I love the tung oil finish in the walnut color, it goes on really quickly and easily with a rag. Thanks again. Many Thanks. We just had a table and two benches built, and I’m trying to decide how I want to finish it. I was certain that it wouldn’t do any good, as I’ve read that it really should sit for at least 24 hours. It will look fine. And if you need tips on staining for a beautiful finish, see my how to stain wood tutorial and the best way to apply stain . Just came in via Pinterest (againm!). Also, professional pros (the ones who take their time to listen to you and do the job right) always water-pop the wood when using dark stains. Your style choices and mine may often be different but I always think your work looks beautiful and magazine worthy. Yours Truly, A very satisfied and intrigued reader :). Now I can’t wait to do the downstairs, which are white oak floors. Maybe Jacobean. I almost want to try it!! Also, which wood would be most like maple? In the picture with only pine boards, they look a lot darker and much less gray. I would like the ‘old world’ type of look to the finish. 6. Any other steps that you would add in there? With stain, more layers likely wouldn’t help because the wood is still supposed to come through. I want my table to end up with a warm medium brown finish. I’m sure you know that pine changes colour quite quickly when exposed to light. It’s not even like it’s a huge price difference! Did you wipe off right away? We used Jacobean everywhere after testing a small area and it hid the old spots, and the old and new floors matched! Thank you for this helpful post and for answering this question! We have been trying to pick a miniwax stain for birch cabinets going into our basement. Its interesting because on White Oak, in our experience, the color is much lighter than what is shown in your post. That doesn’t even include the chairs. Great post. It also come in different wax tones, so I can tailor it for the huge of the wood. I think some people just don’t care about that sort of thing! What about bleaching the red oak first then applying the simply white stain? Use our stain color guide to pick the right stain color for your wood projects. Or you can google bleaching wood and find some articles and videos about it. Did you like the results? My first go around I noticed an embarrassing amount of blotching from the stain. I love this! So thorough. Really! All Rights Reserved. It’s a little smelly. Minwax® Water Based Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner. But I hope this is helpful. This was my “control” sample with just plain ole stain on it. It should! How amazing that you have a table made partially from wood that came from your house! The white oak looks even, but the red oak looks like zebra stripes–although the dark walnut showed less contrast than the jacobean. Regarding a wax coating not being durable… I assume you’re referring to a hand-rubbed product like the Annie Sloan waxes. Thank you, thank you, thank you! You must stain within 30 minutes of applying but it takes care of making the stain soak in evenly. I am looking to build a platform / platform bed and I have white oak grey pink floors and looking to contrast it with either a less grainy wood like natural Birch, Maple, and not White Oak, but may want to stain it with a semi glossed Charcoal Gray. I know it clears back up when it dries out, but it’s just not something I’d ever use on dining table. So my goal was to come up with something that gives a medium-toned aged finish, minimizes the crazy pine grain, while ending up with a durable oil-based finish on top. And yes, the prestain saves the day on birch. You can check out the details of my process here…. Did you sand the woods before staining them? These are used separately. Still love the solid wood cabinets, still love the arrangement. Extremely helpful!! Thanks! Now we’re getting to the meat of this blog post. SO SO SO SOOOO helpful!!! After waxing, the wood still felt really dry, like it would soak up just about anything I put on it (stain, poly, Waterlox, etc.) My suggestion would be to use a scrap piece of wood that is the same type that you want to treat, and test your different options. P.s I’m not a seller or spokesperson for fusion- just a happy little diyer who’s discovered a revolutionary product. Absolutely love it. The colour is a deep rich reddish gold. It is an elusive stain!! : (. I’m a former Cosmetology teacher and after the 10th comment about wood conditioner, it finally clicked. window.fd('form', { In fact, it looked almost pinky gray. Any recommendations for a different wax? And Red Oak should probably stay away from things that add even more red to it (like Pickled Oak and Golden Pecan). I can’t figure out how to attach the photo to this comment but if you want to see it I could send it to your email. I’ll be saving this as reference for all of my future projects :), Love this, thank you! Such useful info! It’s made of pallets, packing crates, and 1″x12″x12′ boards from a reuse center, so I have lots of different looks in the same species. It delivered rich, dark brown tones. var rsLTKLoadApp="0",rsLTKPassedAppID="714598600"; This content requires JavaScript to be enabled, and the site or browser may be disabling it. Yep, I mentioned that above. I used Minwax Pickled Oak and it turned out gorgeous, for a first attempt. Hi Kristi Yes!! Step 2: Apply Minwax Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner to help the stain penetrate the wood evenly and reduce the effect of wood grain raising.. I’m planning to use the same technique on another furniture piece. Woodworking Shop Safety 10 Safety Tips to Post in Your Shop 1) Think Before You Cut – The most powerful tool in your shop is your brain, use it. I can guarantee it will become your favorite stain for pine! I had so much trouble with countertops when i tried to stain them. Ended up going with red oak and golden oak stain and the color is exactly as seen in person. Suzanne, Hey there, I really liked your articles, I too have had a really hard time with pine. The owner sells on eBay as well. When working with maple or birch, you usually leave the stain on longer to achieve a darker result. My one tip to anyone doing their own floors is sand everything evenly – we had a couple spots that we didn’t sand as consistently and those areas took the stain much darker than the rest of the floor. I have had fantastic results with both of these. Or does it matter? Here’s how that looked compared to my first sample. You use those together? You can make either oil based or water based. Without being in the space we can’t really say, but one thing I would do is find a piece of red oak that matches the finish of your banister etc. It’s great inspiration, because I’m always perusing the Dot & Bo website, longingly looking at all the industrial-style furniture for $1,500+. So helpful with all of the images and great descriptions! It’s one of their new stains. I really don’t know if ether of these examples is the proper use of that wax product or how much it differs from the Annie Sloan waxes. This is an awesome resource, thank you! )…maybe minwax will give you another opportunity! Ooh, I could see that! But I’m back to the issue with the yucky grain. I’ve heard that using ebony obliterates contrast. I’ve been struggling with finding the right color for so long now! I’d love to see how the process worked on the entire piece. Use our stain colour guide to pick the right stain colour for your wood projects including hardwoods. 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